tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post1324746555996306858..comments2023-10-30T03:57:36.471-07:00Comments on Creepy Query Girl: FMFB- Debating the 'Indie' LabelCreepy Query Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18115161057496086972noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-85677956110022501482012-05-27T06:27:31.962-07:002012-05-27T06:27:31.962-07:00Congrats on the Creative award Katie, you have a v...Congrats on the Creative award Katie, you have a very joyful place here not to mention intellectually stimulating :).Petronelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12186768028839322820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-35858884824496088842012-05-26T21:57:16.055-07:002012-05-26T21:57:16.055-07:00BTW...I just sent you the Kreativ Blogger award ov...BTW...I just sent you the Kreativ Blogger award over on my blog. You deserve it.Botanisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12098709722475364465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-2243218923858412222012-05-26T16:58:42.370-07:002012-05-26T16:58:42.370-07:00I'm super late to the party! I am bringing ora...I'm super late to the party! I am bringing orange juice...cause no one wants to eat anything I cook ;)!<br /><br />I self-publish. I also employ editors, formatters, cover designers, web service providers, and pay for promotional services. I make a livable income from writing and am setting up an LLC to make sure that taxes and business expenses are documented correctly. Several of my friends have worked with lawyers or agents on restricted rights, like foreign contracts or film deals. What we do is so far from 'me, myself, and I' that "self-published" is actually quite misleading.<br /><br />The term "indie" has changed. As to whether or not indie writers are 'shooting themselves in the foot'...as far as the circle of my contemporaries is concerned, we're creating an entirely new niche that doesn't engage much with the traditionally published world. It doesn't cross my mind to worry if what I call myself offends any agent, since I have very little dealings with them. Nor do I deal much with any arm of traditional publishing. I don't mind what they call me or what they don't call me. We (and this goes for myself and all my close colleagues who are indie) focus all our time, energy, and resources on making the art we're passionate about and connecting with readers. Period. Second period (it's grammatically iffy, but that's how serious we are ;)!). <br /><br />The professional indie authors aren't demanding anything from traditional publishing or warring with anyone. We're sharing our stories with readers, writing what we love, and learning the ropes on our own.<br /><br />I am indie. I'm very proud of what I do and how I do it, and I plan to keep doing it for the long haul, leaning new things as I go, and enjoying every damn second of this awesome journey! And I'm certainly not asking anyone permission to call myself 'indie' while I do it ;)!Liz Reinhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15431422051251925133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-44876725615316141662012-05-26T07:24:27.933-07:002012-05-26T07:24:27.933-07:00Interesting, I'd never heard those who self-pu...Interesting, I'd never heard those who self-publish refer to themselves as "indie" .. though I can totally see that it makes sense. They are, in fact, publishing independently!Carissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10594436685900756259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-70094025323584429632012-05-25T14:53:44.031-07:002012-05-25T14:53:44.031-07:00I think it's confusing. Seems to me the small ...I think it's confusing. Seems to me the small press folks have first dibs. :)Caroline Starr Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04597510685273079757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-45517970542143380362012-05-25T14:30:30.135-07:002012-05-25T14:30:30.135-07:00I had a protein shake with blueberries and strawbe...I had a protein shake with blueberries and strawberries. <br /><br />I need to think about the indie vs self and who has dibs. I haven't thought about it that much yet.Tasha Seegmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11489911822054861132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-32729982266811214172012-05-25T13:06:54.359-07:002012-05-25T13:06:54.359-07:00I had Post cerial and peach slices--yum (no corn s...I had Post cerial and peach slices--yum (no corn syrup in either)<br /><br />Indie? Hmmm, I wish these know-it-alls would get a life and quit trying to make us all conform to what they think we should do/speak/write/ etc. *crossing eyes*<br /><br />There. I really feel better now! Thanks. (^;Lorelei Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03294047277447613989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-3837443092835421162012-05-25T11:02:35.263-07:002012-05-25T11:02:35.263-07:00Bacon! Of course.
And I haven't followed any ...Bacon! Of course.<br /><br />And I haven't followed any of this, but I'm going to have to look into it.Elana Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877856005992028912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-83073959559659402212012-05-25T10:53:32.303-07:002012-05-25T10:53:32.303-07:00As a self-published author, at first I felt strong...As a self-published author, at first I felt strongly that the term "indie" should only be applied to those published by smaller, independent publishers. But I keep getting called an Indie author, getting grouped with Indie authors, etc. So, I've just given up and begun answering to the term "indie."<br />It's kind of like how the real meaning of the term "ground zero" is the area immediately under a nuclear explosion, but after 2001, everyone began referring to the destroyed area of the World Trade Towers as "ground zero," even though the destruction there had nothing nuclear about it. The term was misused so long that it changed meaning.<br />I think that the term "indie" has now changed meaning, and, although I'm unlikely to start ranting and raving that I'm "indie" instead of self-published, it's much easier for me just to "go with the flow" and answer to that label.Lisa Shaferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141316010311729143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-75427263780729595142012-05-25T10:42:39.541-07:002012-05-25T10:42:39.541-07:00I've brought self-peeling mangos. Because ever...I've brought self-peeling mangos. Because everybody loves mangos. except peeling them... <br /><br />As for Indies-I think the horse is out of the barn. Self-published people feel strongly about it and will continue and I just don't think there is a way to stem the tide. I was annoyed when they started, as indie SHOULD mean small, independent press, but i don't think there is anything that can be done about it now.Hart Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17599570189253229318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-38112028487885877002012-05-25T10:27:14.029-07:002012-05-25T10:27:14.029-07:00I always link indie with small record labels produ...I always link indie with small record labels producing local bands rather than writing. I've brought porridge with a banana and some blueberries and golden linseeds in it because I am a middle class jessie.Tony Van Helsinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08879258913766153068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-17938133003335369792012-05-25T09:57:10.173-07:002012-05-25T09:57:10.173-07:00I had coffee and a scone. What's wrong with us...I had coffee and a scone. What's wrong with using the term "indie"? That's just very strange. I guess that some people get uptight about categories and labels.Michael Offutt, Phantom Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557969104886174930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-31969187576146824772012-05-25T09:36:44.916-07:002012-05-25T09:36:44.916-07:00I'll bring Vanilla lattes for everyone.
I th...I'll bring Vanilla lattes for everyone. <br /><br />I think the term Indie just sounds better than self-published, which is why people like it...more street cred but it implies there is a publisher behind them so I can understand the agent's objection.Johanna Garthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15515478890074610814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-69639481588582836702012-05-25T09:21:44.676-07:002012-05-25T09:21:44.676-07:00Fresh-baked olive bread, for those with a savory t...Fresh-baked olive bread, for those with a savory tooth.<br /><br />I've not followed the debate, but if anyone said "indie" to me I would think of a small independent publisher. I wouldn't think of self-published. The term has been used that way for a long time and in other industries (e.g. music).<br /><br />I don't suppose we can turn back the tide, but this saddens me because it means the term has been devalued and has lost its usefulness as a way of describing a distinct and vital part of the industry.Botanisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12098709722475364465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-3527054061046005172012-05-25T08:20:45.561-07:002012-05-25T08:20:45.561-07:00Coffee, vanilla yogurt and oreo cookie ice cream (...Coffee, vanilla yogurt and oreo cookie ice cream (yes, that really is my breakfast).<br /><br />The whole thing is just silly to me, but I do agree with Sandra's comment above.<br /><br />In the end, all that matters to me if I'm meeting my own goals of writing, publishing, selling and supporting my family. Don't really care if you call me an indie or a self-pubbed author, so long as I'm happy and my goals are met:)Marta Szemikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100791404636754754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-29476865319297609062012-05-25T08:17:58.834-07:002012-05-25T08:17:58.834-07:00After eating a bowl of cheerios, I feel really bor...After eating a bowl of cheerios, I feel really boring! LOL I'm jealous of your guys' breakfasts.<br /><br />As for the term 'indie', at first its double meaning confused me, but now I find myself using the word 'indie' without a second thought to refer to self-publishers. I think the meaning of the word has evolved to include self-publishers, and there's nothing that can realistically be done about it. And it makes sense. After all, 'indie' is short for independent, and it doesn't get much more independent than self-publishing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01025900107236429624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-24964992507662455242012-05-25T08:16:50.129-07:002012-05-25T08:16:50.129-07:00At my door this morning was the new belgian waffle...At my door this morning was the new belgian waffle maker I ordered, so I'm bringing homemade chocolate chip waffles YUM!!<br /><br />I hadn't really thought about the indie/self-published terms. Indie is short for independent, right? So it makes okay sense to me that self-published authors be called indie authors... I think if I was one, I wouldn't mind!Laura S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13934230198562773803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-33493108678294310152012-05-25T07:33:42.910-07:002012-05-25T07:33:42.910-07:00It's the Friday morning after a Thursday night...It's the Friday morning after a Thursday night out, so I'll stick to copious amounts of coffee :).<br /><br />Inneresting debate about indie vs. self-published. I think the bigger conversation here is what happens when the industry shakes all of this indie/ebook/self-pubbed business out.JEMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04043891292719086478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-59307175923572511952012-05-25T07:30:26.409-07:002012-05-25T07:30:26.409-07:00I've got coffee and if I knew how to cook I...I've got coffee and if I knew how to cook I'd bring some of my mom's Danish (the most flaky buttery pastries topped with almonds and a thin sweet glaze - and yes, they do practically melt in your mouth).<br /><br />I agree that Indie brings to a mind small publisher, like when a musician is with an Indie Label. They've got someone backing them but whoever it is isn't huge. <br /><br />And I can see why an agent would want the terms differentiated because it does make a difference - imo.mshatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308916014310536449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-69390147414323555882012-05-25T07:29:10.165-07:002012-05-25T07:29:10.165-07:00I am going with vegan bread (made without eggs or ...I am going with vegan bread (made without eggs or milk--it's a food allergy thing), and vegan butter, and to balance out all those carbs, some grape Crystal Light energy drink. <br /><br />As far as the Indie thing, I guess I prefer the term "Indie" Author better than a "Self-Published" Author, because I am old enough to remember the stigma associated with self-publication...as if the work was somehow not good enough. <br /><br />Of course that is not always the case, but that was the common perception when I was younger, and the impressions you grow up with can be hard to shake. <br /><br />Sigh.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252890741829487017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-44357564945712433412012-05-25T06:22:46.951-07:002012-05-25T06:22:46.951-07:00Coffee and fresh banana bread with lots of chocola...Coffee and fresh banana bread with lots of chocolate chips...<br /><br />I hadn't thought about this term for self-pubbed authors, but I guess you could call them "independent" since they do it on their own... I thought indie referred to independent bookstores and booksellers, and small presses, not authors themselves.Katie O'Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17295418503546522882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-76806135005433119742012-05-25T05:56:28.222-07:002012-05-25T05:56:28.222-07:00I'm bringing ice cream! And strawberries!
I ...I'm bringing ice cream! And strawberries! <br /><br />I still get lost with the self-pub/indie thing. Nevermind! It's the end result that matters, no?<br /><br />Take care<br />xOld Kittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13185547869183611159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-7835493897001056882012-05-25T05:52:02.598-07:002012-05-25T05:52:02.598-07:00No coffee, thanks. Got my mug of tea.
As near as...No coffee, thanks. Got my mug of tea.<br /><br />As near as I can figure it out, "indie" is probably a more realistic term for self pubs but the small "Indie" publishers are mifted because they were using the term first. Makes no difference to me.LD Mastersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202135756299574972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-62747654436166528572012-05-25T05:20:22.911-07:002012-05-25T05:20:22.911-07:00It's hot here, so fresh berries sound good thi...It's hot here, so fresh berries sound good this morning.<br /><br />One of the commenters on the Passive Voice blog, Dan DeWitt, said in response to this: "I’m still trying to figure out how someone who publishes through another entity is “independent,” especially when contrasted with an author who does everything by his or her self." Makes sense to me.Sandra Ulbrich Almazanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15365908651235829765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5691193709206281737.post-2689757348569556572012-05-25T05:15:47.021-07:002012-05-25T05:15:47.021-07:00A Snickers coffee (double shot) and a breakfast ba...A Snickers coffee (double shot) and a breakfast bar for me this morning. I knew that Indie Publishing is not the same as self-published, and If I were an Indie Publisher I guess I might be bothered by the comparison.<br /><br />Looking forward to the long weekend. Might actually get some writing done. :)DL Hammonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02007260062331783715noreply@blogger.com